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this is big operation but it is not as big as katrina. and the governors obviously are in charge in their particular jurisdictions, we work through the general who our guards men either army or air in each state, if a particular state's capabilities that reside in their guard components become overwhelmed usually the governors will then turn to sister states through emergency management assistance come tacts, emax. then if we still don't have enough capability in the guard we will turn using some new authorities to air force reserve command and the active duty to provide the capabilities that either don't reside in the guard or we become overwhelmed. >> to the budget controversy. they submitted the budget this yore. and it cause -- year. and it did cause a continue verysy. you remember there at the time. what happened from your per spect i have and what are the lessons learned for the long term? >> i don't think the situation was like what a lot of people think it is. we had some discussions inned the air force and i was part of those looking at different ways to provide the capa
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